Pasquinade ([info]pats_quinade) wrote,
@ 2009-07-08 21:47:00
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but poor people not dying costs money!
apparently there's a giant health-care crisis down in the states. people are concerned that obama is trying to socialize health care, and the liberals are trying to reassure people with, "oh, no, it's not socialized health care, this plan of ours." people are yelling that countries with socialized health care get dragged down, that it's inefficient and slow.

first, these people all sound like the rich folks who refused to fly southwest because southwest's seating system made it impossible for the rich folks to pay more for a better seat. that's fine when it's an airline. when you say that about health care -- when you don't want everyone to have a reasonable standard because then you wouldn't be able to have the very best for yourself -- you sound kind of assholish, no matter how vaguely you pretty it up.

second, i broke my arm on a sunday. i was into the er, x-rayed, and home in two hours. i got into surgery the next day. i got home the day after that. total cost? zero. all i'm paying for are prescriptions (and our work plan will see that reimbursed).

even if i didn't love my job, i'd be nervous about moving back to california. socialized health care ain't perfect, but it's a damn sight better than the "pay or die" care most folks are stuck with down there. (i know, er not like that, but i can tell the same story about getting diagnosed with asthma, something my doctors in california never caught as my quality of life slowly degraded and i worried about paying money i didn't have for another appointment. total time from walking into medicentre (non-appointment doctor's office) to walking out of pharmacy with new meds? nineteen minutes. total cost for an unscheduled non-emergency appointment on a saturday afternoon? nada.

yeah, canada's health care is socialized. america's is anti-social.




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[info]gryphart
2009-07-09 04:31 am UTC (link)
I wish we could drop being World Police and spend the money on genuinely getting health care working. It's pretty depressing to see the extent that both parties are giving 90% of Americans the middle finger for no particularly good reason.

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[info]amysisson
2009-07-09 05:24 am UTC (link)
Right there with you on this!

Since three of my inlaws are doctors in Canada (mother, father, and brother-in-law), I'm well aware of some of the problems. But one illness or accident doesn't generally bankrupt an entire family up there.

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[info]varianor
2009-07-09 12:34 pm UTC (link)
Sadly, what killed the last attempt at universal health care (among others) was special interest groups like doctors, hospitals and other interests. They apparently were okay with some people not getting health care as long as their compensation stayed up there.

My family has good health care. Yet it sucks a lot of money out of our budget every year. Part of me hopes we never get an uncovered catastrophic event. Yes, some health plans in American (not ours...yet) have a lifetime cap on what they will pay. Sheesh.

You make an excellent point. Several actually.

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[info]penguinlady
2009-07-09 02:52 pm UTC (link)
There was one bit in SicKo that really resonated with me: the richest country in the world spends more money killing people than it does healing people. What the hell is wrong with that picture?

I'm so glad we're doing IVF up here. Need a blood test? Walk in and get it done. Ultrasound? Same deal. No copay, no out of pocket. While it's not covered by Alberta Health, we get do a tax break on it for the year. This cycle has been roughly less than 1/2 the cost of what it would be in the States, including meds. I honestly don't know if we could have done this in the States, cost reasons alone.

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[info]therinth
2009-07-10 06:52 am UTC (link)
A-fucking-men.

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[info]tassiaw
2009-07-10 07:11 am UTC (link)
I've been where you are now. I too pulled a heroic stunt that ended in a horribly shattered shoulder, and a broken left leg. I was walking to school with my friends, and we were crossing the road, in a crosswalk mind you. This car came speeding up the hill out of no where. One of my friends ran one way, the other froze in place, and I shoved her out of the way and ended up taking the impact full on. She got a big bruise on her thigh, I got thrown 50 feet, landed on my left shoulder, broke my leg in 3 places.

I know the kind of pain you're going through right now, and I sympathize with the distaste of strong meds. Morphine made me itchy and bitchy, codeine gave me awful nightmares, they never offered me anything else so I survived on extra strength tylenol. Looking back, I dunno how the hell I did it, but I figured being in pain was better than feeling awful and angry because of drugs.

Our healthcare system has its flaws, but I've been to nearly every province now, and Alberta's system is worse than anywhere else in the country. I imagine it's because they have semi-private healthcare, and I was staunchly against its inception. Thankfully, I live in BC now. I was in Alberta for my accident, and again years later when I somehow managed to contract scarlet fever. Both times in the hospital were a nightmare. My doctors were idiots, and the nurses weren't much better.

I had a cast up to my hip, and my doctor ordered me to walk to the bathroom the day after surgery. He also said I could be back in school by Monday, and wanted me out of the hospital only 2 days after I was hit by a car. We had steps into our house, and my parents needed some time to get things set up so I could go home. He threatened to call social services on them and have me taken away. I fired him as my surgeon.

Next time with the scarlet fever, I went to the hospital feverish and delirious. She diagnosed me with a bladder infection and sent me home, I got worse. We had to go to our old family doctor in Calgary to get a proper diagnosis. Unbelievable.

All my other experiences in BC, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario have been top-notch. Not a single complaint. Alberta wants to be American, and I just couldn't stand living there anymore.

I'm hoping you have a speedy recovery! Get better!

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(Anonymous)
2009-07-14 01:18 am UTC (link)
Completely agree! Although "pay or die" doesn't quite cover it... They will not let you die, conducting procedures they know insurance won't cover and you can't pay for...forcing you to pay anyway. What a great system...

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